Transcript...

In this episode, you will learn:

  • What Greg found to be the key to release trauma

  • What PRISMA is and how it works

  • How Greg was able to regain 3” of his height

  • How powerful it is to focus on what you want versus what you don’t want

Episode 35: Healing Pain & Trauma for the Entrepreneur

Katie Wrigley  0:06  

This is the Pain changer Podcast, episode 35. Have you ever heard about someone adding three inches to their height without a growth spurt or surgery? This week, Greg Wieting is joining me and he actually did that for himself, regained three inches to his height… What! Greg is going to share his incredible story with you and how he created his PRISMA framework that he uses to help others release their own suffering. You won't want to miss this one. It's coming up next. 

Greg Wieting is a healer who helps leaders and entrepreneurs heal the anxiety, depression, chronic pain, and trauma they can't think or talk their way out of. 

He is the founder of PRISMA – a framework overlaying trauma, neuroscience, and energy medicine with somatic and mindfulness-based practices. He developed this while healing his own anxiety, depression, and chronic pain rooted in trauma. This included unraveling a severe spinal curvature and standing three inches taller today!

Over the last two decades, Greg has helped thousands heal through his one-on-one practice and has certified hundreds of healthcare professionals in his methodology. His new online course and community now make healing practical and accessible to all. 

Welcome to the Pain Changer Podcast, Greg, I am so happy to have you join me today.

Greg Wieting  1:19  

Hi, Katie. Great to be here. Thank you. 

Katie Wrigley  1:20  

Awesome. And actually, I have your bio, but I would love it if you just opened up and shared a little bit about yourself and your journey to how you were able to heal some of these manifestations of trauma in your own body. .

Greg Wieting  1:37  

Sure, yeah, I am a healer. I help people address the anxiety, the depression and the chronic pain that's often symptomatic of unresolved trauma. I work with trauma and neuroscience fused with somatic and mindfulness based practices and energy medicine. I know that's a mouthful. But basically, you know, these are the tools that over the last 25 years, I piece together to find my own healing, right. And now, these are the practices that I've kind of synthesized into one healing system that I share with my clients and my students. You know, I look at healing, you know, can be a heavy thing. A lot of folks, you know, are coming to terms with the fact that they have unresolved trauma, and they're starting to become more aware of the cost and the impact of trauma. And my orientation to healing is actually not really to focus on trauma. My job is to help us get more in touch with what I'd call our innate wisdom. Innate wisdom is a term developed in chiropractic that, you know, when we have a paper cut, there's some healing mechanism that heals the paper cut, it sends platelets, and proteins and orchestrates all these biochemical transmissions for the paper cut to heal. And the good news is it does that while we're sleeping, while we're having this conversation. It's so it heals without us even having to think about it. And so my job is to help people align to that innate wisdom. And as we do, our natural capacity to heal, just becomes stronger and stronger. So instead of focusing on pain, we're focusing on possibility

Katie Wrigley  3:15  

Everything you said there is so powerful, the focus on the innate wisdom, and I love how you say that. And you're right that that is the way our bodies work. And you say it so much more eloquently. I tend to stumble over and say like, your body can heal itself but when there's something running active in the system that prevents healing, you aren't going to experience that for yourself. And tapping into that innate wisdom is a big part of it. So one of the things that I had noted in your bio, and I'm going to make sure the bio is in there as well. So we will have this so the guests can make sure that they find you as well or the listeners rather can make sure they find you. One of the things that you mentioned is throughout your study and combining all these science methods, energy healing, and it makes a lot of sense to me how you've been able to combine these and come up with this. But one of the facts about you that really blew my mind was that you regained three inches to your height by doing this. Did I read that right?

Greg Wieting  4:19  

See, I have scoliosis, which is a severe curve in my spine. And, you know, a lot of folks say, “Well, you can't heal something that's genetic”. Well, our genes are highly malleable to environmental input, for better or for worse. So if we come in with some genetic pattern, well, that becomes the flypaper for something like trauma to stick on and to compound and to amplify and to make worse right. So, the wounding in early development that I did not have the capacity to process early on, latched on to that imbalance if you will, right? And we start to wear our wounding like a costume, right or a mask, more specifically our connective tissue and our fascia which hold our muscles and bones together. You know, our connective tissue actually holds us together more than our skeletal system, right. And the connective tissue is also where we store  memories, emotions, beliefs and trauma. And so if the costuming I was carrying was around guarding and protection and wounding and the world is unsafe, you know, you can imagine this hunched over kind of posturing to guard and protect the heart. Right? You know, what I loved about energy medicine is it's really helping to work to clear out the residue of trauma that's creating the chronic inflammation that's holding the body in these rigid patterns that, you know, is keeping the immune system kind of in this hyper vigilant state, which compromises its capacity to do its job. And so as we start to kind of work through those emotional imprints stored in the body, well, then we no longer need to wear that costuming. Right, so the costuming of trauma that was aggravating and making the scoliosis worse, was able to start to reorganize and restructure. Because then what was holding me together was just my own presence as opposed to my wounding, right, and so, so much a healing is this reorientation to no longer be identified with pain. Well, if we're no longer identified with pain, then we can just be ourselves. So if I'm no longer encumbered by the weight of this wounding, well, my whole physical body can start to express itself a whole lot differently. And so that's kind of the journey, and this process of the unraveling of the spine was really unraveling and unhooking from the trauma that had taken up residence in my body. And that wasn't a one and done, that wasn't a Quick fix. That was like, you know, and it's still in process 25 years later. So what used to be debilitating chronic pain is still chronic tension, I still have tension, and I still have a curve of my spine. But I'm no longer living in the depression and the anxiety and just that compounded, you know, heaviness of that wounding. So it's really augmenting and shifting our relationship to our pain. So we get to know ourselves more deeply.

Katie Wrigley  7:33  

Yes, that's, that's beautiful. And you said something, you said a lot there actually, that I want to go back to but one of the first points you mentioned is that our genes are malleable. And this isn't something that traditional medicine tends to lead us to believe. I've just recently, through doing root cause analysis, put two and two together, despite knowing this about genes, despite having a genetic condition that I've been aware of for almost 10 years now. And knowing the age I was traumatized, and the first time that genetic condition came out, which is hemochromatosis, I have an extra gene that prevents me from metabolizing iron. Around the time that I was traumatized as a child, I was in an iron overload, the trauma that was happening to me, kicked on that gene. And I only recently went, “Oh, that makes so much sense”, because I'm literally the only person in my family who has it. So I wanted to spend some time there to validate that point of I've had a similar experience. I haven't figured out yet how to shut off that gene. But I do now understand how it was activated in me initially. And that's been really empowering to understand that as part of my story, and I can let it go now versus like, this was part of my identity like, “Oh, this is just a fascinating puzzle piece. Wow, look at that”, like it completely changed my perspective of it.

Greg Wieting  9:01  

Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for sharing, you know, I appreciate that. And yeah, so we can have, you know, just hereditary traits. A lot of the same traits can be, you know, inherited. But to your point, not every family member is that trait going to actually become activated. So, you know, the stress, environmental tax toxins are all going to contribute to trauma, or the lack thereof, right? Or a healing journey is starting to then offer the genes you know, a healthier input right to support harmony and balance, you know, energy medicines, calming the cardiovascular system, it's regulating the nervous system, it's strengthening the immune system. Well, those are three pretty big components to support our overall well being, right, to support a state of coherence where body, mind and spirit are in a resonance in a harmonic balance. And so if we continue to support a resonance in a harmonic balance, then even if you know, genes have been activated, and we have a propensity towards a certain disease or illness, it's going to support our system's capacity to navigate it, and to some degree, possibly heal it. Again, I still have a curve on my spine, that curve may never fully go away. And now that's not really my goal, my goal is just to continue to support and nurture myself. And, you know, so much of healing is also a path of acceptance, right, a radical acceptance, when I first came to my path, you know, I wanted nothing more than to like, you know, just straighten myself out and know, that was coming at myself from a pretty violent place, right? Because it wasn't actually honoring what is, right? And so we sometimes need to honor the pain and the wounding or the condition, understand it. And then in that place of being held and supported as we are, the system's innate wisdom can, you know, start to restructure and reorganize according to its own intelligence.

Katie Wrigley  11:05  

Absolutely. And you're such an eloquent speaker, I love the way you really break things down and make it, hopefully the listeners agree, very easy to follow and understand. So you developed actually, before we get into the system that you have, I want to ask, so what is your quality of life now? When you are admittedly, you know, your spine still has a curvature to it, versus how was your quality of life before you began your healing journey?

Greg Wieting  11:39  

Yeah, I couldn't get out of bed some days, just completely debilitated. When I was able to kind of quote unquote, function, just you know, completely just chronic pain, just nonstop. Right? Always trying to like crack my spine, always trying to like, you know, get out of it. And then just the anxiety and the depression, just a three ring circus of thoughts and just heaviness, right, catastrophizing, you know, so that's none of that's present anymore, right? And so, presence, there's ease, there's aliveness, there's, you know, I look at, when we're in the trenches of trauma, we're just in the pit, and all we can see is the pit, right? And so, healing helps us see like a horizon of possibility, right. And so much of that is neuroplasticity, our own imagination literally creates the structure of our brain, and helps us create the structure of our lives. Right. So that, you know, we derived that first through, you know, safety, helping the nervous system, land, having psychological safety and trust within ourselves, our environment. And, you know, that gives us more space to have agency and choice to, like, feel ourselves to know ourselves night and day.

Katie Wrigley  13:07  

Yeah, and that's, that's been similar in, in my experience, as well. But you know, if I choose to have a day where I'm in my bed, now, it's because I want to hang out and have a relaxing day. It's not because I am incapable of getting out of bed, much to your point. But that was similar before I began my own journey as well. So can you share a little bit about this program, or this framework, rather, that you've developed, called Prisma? Is that correct?

Greg Wieting  13:39  

Yep. So, you know, in the last, I'd say, nine years, I started to kind of reverse engineer how I kind of was intuitively learning these different practices, picking them up, getting the benefit of them, and then, you know, I start to teach them and apply them. And so in the last nine years, I've reverse engineered that into, you know, as much of as much as healing is a nonlinear journey. I tried to develop as a linear of a roadmap as possible. A trauma and neuroscience roadmap just helps us to kind of orient to where we are and where we're headed. You know, in my early days of healing, I was seeing a therapist and I was going to healers, but I didn't really know, I knew I was on the right track, but I didn't really know where I was headed. Right. So I think it's really good to have that sense of orientation. So that's delivered over an eight week online course. That's self paced, you know, you have forever access to those modules. And tied into that of the somatic and mindfulness based practices which then folks have access to live guided practices where I'm helping, you know, it's one thing to learn something intellectually it's another to embody it to really you know, Crockett in your body. And so the somatic piece is really helping us get in touch with the signals of the body, really getting in touch with our emotional intelligence and you know, our needs, our desires, right? Which oftentimes trauma is going to, you know, hijack our capacity to even have that connection from ourselves to ourselves. So getting in touch with the intelligence of the body, through somatic practices, and then the mindfulness based practices, just again, the necessary mind training to shift our identification with our pain, to step outside of our pain and come into a greater place of presence, you know, and expanded awareness. And then the energy medicine components, so teaching folks an entire self care, you know, healing practice that they can take with them for life. The energy medicine, I really look at the vehicle that there's a lot of pain that we just can't think or talk our way through. Don't get me wrong, therapy has been tremendously valuable in my life. And I encourage my students and clients to, you know, work with therapy. And when it comes to the imprints of trauma stored in our body, sometimes we can have a really good intellectual understanding of our pain. And we've mapped it out in our mind, but still living with the effect of it in our body or, you know, at the level of our genes. So I look at energy medicine as a really great vehicle to help bypass the mind and address the subconscious and the unconscious mind as it takes up residence in the body. You know, the conscious mind is what we think we believe, that's just the typical spirit. And the subconscious unconscious is what we really believe, right? Often these beliefs that are imprinted in early development, especially if there was, you know, a traumatic upbringing, that are often around guarding and protecting and wounding, which you know, really can limit the aperture of possibility in our lives that can be kind of, you know, self harming or limiting. And so starting to kind of look under the hood, understand what's really driving us and start to create the capacity to have more choice and agency to you know, flip the script and develop a new narrative.

Katie Wrigley  17:11  

Exactly. And I love that you talk about the conscious and the subconscious mind. I've heard different data. And the way that I really like to look at it. And one of the things that I had heard from an NLP master was that your conscious mind is running about 5% of the time. Your subconscious mind is running 95%. Like, you aren't sitting there saying “Beat heart, beat!” It's just doing it on its own, your subconscious, your unconscious mind is running that. You aren't telling your heart “Okay, breathe, okay, lungs, breathe”, or… your heart to beat, your lungs to breathe, your feet to walk, you just do it. Because these are patterns that are in autopilot for you. And what we don't realize is that autopilot isn't just the physical systems in our body. It's also our thoughts. And it's choosing, not really choosing. But until we can tap into the subconscious mind, we may not have a choice out of that trauma, especially with cases of severe trauma. The amygdala in the mind is just in this constant perpetual fight or flight mode, you don't have any other resources to look at other higher emotions like bliss or joy or peace. And in part because the neurology doesn't care about those. If you're feeling joy and bliss, your neurology can stand down. That's not its job. Your neurology’s job, your subconscious mind's job is to keep you safe and alive. So that's part of what I like to teach people is it this is where your conscious mind works in your favor, bring in that joy, bring in that bliss, your subconscious won't care about it as much. But oh my gosh, bring it in where you can and it's a conscious choice and with a lot of work, and mindfulness, meditation, etc. Then it gets easier to choose those but it's a process, its layers and layers to be able to unravel the spine or unravel the trauma or whatever it is that your experience of it and how that's presenting in your body and in your life.

Greg Wieting  19:17  

So much of healing is broadening the window of tolerance so we have more capacity to be with what historically was too much too soon, right? A simplified way to express trauma. It was a lived experience that was too much too soon, where we didn’t feel supported, where we felt alienated and alone, and were afraid. And so our system wasn't able to metabolize the imprint of that experience or the impact of that experience. Right. So we start to develop practices and tools and resources and support systems, which help us start to derive more safety and the paradoxes it's like we derive more safety, so then we can start to be with what historically has been unsafe. So we can actually be with the fear that before we couldn't even touch. So we're developing the bandwidth to be with our pain. And that doesn't sound like a great invitation for folks to want to dive into. But the gift on the other side of it is, the more we have the capacity to feel the pain, the less identified we are with the pain and the less the pain is living inside of us. So then the experience of pain becomes like the weather, it comes and goes. And when it's raining, we never think I'm the rain, right? But when there's pain, we are pretty quick to say, I'm the pain, right? We're pretty quick to latch on to it, or the opposite. There's the attachment or the aversion to it, right? So healing is helping us neither attach nor be averse to it. So it's welcomed to be here. But there's enough distance between us and the pain, that it becomes less problematic. And we develop more compassion for just the human experience, and then less at the effect of suffering.

Katie Wrigley  21:09  

Absolutely, that makes a lot of sense. And I don't know if you've seen this within your own clients and students, but I'm learning more and more the fear and the stress around the pain compounds it. Now there are physical conditions which are excruciating in nature, I don't want to disregard that. But in my experience so far, and I'm curious what you've seen, the fear around pain and the stress around pain, are heavier burdens than the actual physical sensation itself. What has your experience been with that?

Greg Wieting  21:52  

Well, you know, that's why I work with anxiety, depression and chronic pain, because they just become a feedback loop for one another. Yes. So all of a sudden, we feel the pain, and now we're anxious, afraid of the pain. And then that kicks up the anxiety, right, and then that's combo, that's just going to all of a sudden really wear us out. So then the heaviness of depression is going to come on. So they feed each other. And there can often be cycles. You know, not all three are presenting with everyone all the time. Some of us are, you know, maybe only have, you know, the expression of one of those really presenting. But they can often go hand in hand.

Katie Wrigley  22:31  

And I've seen that, and I experienced that as well. And I see that, too. And I like to tell people that fear and pain like to play together like the quintessential mean, girls in school, they'll stab you behind your back, they do not have your best interest in mind, they are going to wreak havoc on your life if you let them go unchecked. But it's also easy, not easy, but it can be simple to face the mean girls, and take away their power so that they break apart, they aren't playing together anymore. And you have tools you can access and source if your body's giving you a message one day that is incredibly uncomfortable. And, you know, at this point for me, like if if my body hurts, that means something's really off somewhere, but it's immediately instead of the resistance and the tension. It's like, “oh, okay, I got a message here. I don't like how this feels. I'm gonna pay attention to it”. But it was time to unwind that. Yeah, and that is for anyone you know, you mentioned that it's been nine years that you've really been diving into a lot of the science that you've now reversed engineered into this amazing program, you know, it's your, it's not like you're gonna wake up and be like, “Oh, I have trauma of XYZ and then *snaps fingers*  the next day you're fine. Give yourself some time and space and your quality of life is going to continue to go up as you take this journey with Greg, with any healer that you resonate with. And I'd also noticed you focus on entrepreneurs. So can you share a little bit about how that became your focus to help entrepreneurs in general, I guess I should include myself in that. But how did you land your focus on entrepreneurs as part of your audience that you really wanted to help?

Greg Wieting  24:23  

Yeah. Really my own journey I started in the nonprofit world and I was very mission driven. But I Yeah, despite being made of purpose really lacked fulfillments. Right, all of my pain started to kind of aggravate into the emptiness and the overwhelm of burnout, which then continued to aggravate and perpetuate, you know, the anxiety and the depression. So even though I felt I was doing really good work in the world, I wasn't able to celebrate the wins, I had lost myself. So I come from this background of activism and just being very mission driven. I still am very mission driven in my work now, obviously super passionate about what I do. And that's just kind of just naturally who I have just attracted. You know, before I ever really started to focus on supporting any one audience, per se, and a lot of leaders who are doing really good work in the world, they've built a platform, you know, a success, a company, but they're at the point where they're realizing that what if what I've built has been from a trauma response, right? So reaching that point where, okay, this, that trauma response, because again, these trauma responses are trying to protect us. So they are highly, you know, these mount adaptations to stress are highly intelligent. So they do get us places until they become more of a liability, right? So a lot of people come to me when they're doing that cost payoff analysis. All right? These all these little strategies got me here, but I'm gonna crash and burn real quick if I don't find some new strategies. Yes, you know, and I look at as leaders, we have an opportunity to either perpetuate cycles of harm, or heal them, right. And so I look at our job as leaders is to regulate the collective nervous system. And that starts by regulating our own nervous system. And, you know, how who we are informs how we lead, right. So it's not so much what we do, but how we do it. And so. So it's just a natural blending of the worlds. And I'm just really inspired. Yeah, just with mission driven, purpose driven leadership. 

Katie Wrigley  26:41  

That's awesome. And you're right, it I've, I've heard similar, like, as far as the piece that you talked about, you know, these people building these amazing platforms and this amazing service or products to be able to help people and then “Oh, what if I built on a trauma pattern? Or what do I do with this?” Or a lot of times, it can also create impostor syndrome. Like, how can I possibly help someone else if I still have this, and I think that's something that you actually have, as part of the system is, if you haven't healed fully, or to a level where you're free, are you going to be able to lead the way that you want to lead?

Greg Wieting  27:27  

Well, and I look at healing as there is no destination, or, you know, there's no endpoint, right? So, you know, I think we're all just doing the best we can and this messy thing called life, and I think it's really valuable to get a lot of support on our side. So we can, you know, recognize our blind spots and then do better. Right, and I think that will be a forever journey. So question the status of arriving there. But yeah, a lot of leaders, you know, perfectionism, boundaries, you know, a lot of folks are, you know, taking care of the world, carrying the weight of the world, on their shoulders at their own expense, right. And so, how those trauma responses are showing up are pretty unique, you know, depending on kind of the emotional imprints of our own wounds, you know, we're each going to have a different propensity to either fight or flight or the flip side, you know, the freeze and appease which, you know, really, all of those, all of those default options of survival can become pretty, pretty damaging when we're, you know, in high stake situations.

Katie Wrigley  28:36  

Absolutely. Especially when you're mixing and matching, which ones which is, I personally used to do that. Sometimes it's freeze, sometimes appease, sometimes it'd be fighting, sometimes it'd be fleeing. My nervous system was all over the place, in your experience, and I'm genuinely curious, I have no idea what the answer to this is going to be. Sometimes when I ask a question, I have an idea. I have no clue what you're going to say on this one. Is there any difference in a person's ability from your perspective, Greg, to heal the trauma that they may not have even realized yet that could still be repressed versus one that they are aware has happened? Is there any difference in those paths that you've seen?

Greg Wieting  29:24  

So I guess I have before I even answer that I wanna zoom out and I'd say I'm more of an expert on helping people align to their innate wisdom than I am on their trauma, right, so and so, but I have seen I've seen healing in many different facets, where sometimes we're working more just in the subconscious unconscious with energy medicine, and there's really big behavioral shifts, and there's really deep you know, physiological shifts, and then months later a memory surfaces around a traumatic event. But by the time that memory surfaces, it's like almost already neutralized. So it's not this big, cathartic, you know, replay that's, you know, could often be re-traumatizing, right. So it's like your body's innate wisdom has already done a lot to restructure and reorganize around the trauma before it came to conscious mind, right. And then I have other clients that are coming to me and they have traumas that are front of mind and that are presenting that they're, you know, very aware of, and then we start from there. I once had a client who came to me telling me, they don't have any trauma. And within a few sessions, then they started to speak into, you know, some of their wounding. So I, like, you know, my trauma informed lens is to honor the unsayable. I think we can do a lot of trauma, healing without ever discussing trauma, just the more people connect with their innate wisdom. And then I also think there's wisdom, I think it was Maya Angelou, who talks about speaking the unspeakable. So when we name victimization, it can help us no longer live inside of victimhood. And that looks different for each of us, right. And so my process is holding space for the client's own innate wisdom to guide that process according to their own intelligence according to their own timeline. And so, you know, and sometimes my work or client will say, “Wow, I just had a memory surface that I literally haven't thought of since that time”, right. And, but when it surfaces, it's like, we weren't digging for it, we weren't trying to talk and figure it out, we weren't playing detective, we were just holding space for their system to have a deeper understanding of itself. I guess, like one other metaphor that can be helpful is if the body is a symphony orchestra. And all of the parts, you know, when we're making music are in constant communication. So every organ, every memory, every belief, every tissue, every cell, every hormone, are just in constant communication. And they are all, you know, listening to the conductor, which is the innate wisdom, and all in this harmonic resonance. So then stress and trauma come into play, and it short circuits the nervous system, and then the communication starts to break down. So that's when we start to experience noise, our symptoms, our disease, our illness. So I look at healing as just breaking up the noise, to restore that harmonic resonance. So then when the whole system is communicating, and making music, then this trauma piece over here, it's like, it's put in perspective, right? Because when we're not in that harmonic resonance, then we're just focusing on the wounding in, in isolation to the whole, right, and then our sole focus is on that pain. But when we restore that Symphony Orchestra, it's like there's this wisdom and global and local awareness, “Oh, I can be present to that wounding. But I'm also present to my wholeness”, right. And now that wounding is no longer fractured as a result of that wounding, I could still be present to it, but within this larger framework of understanding the totality of who I am. And so in that sense, I think it can be both, we sometimes may need to very much confront and look the tiger in the eye, so to speak, and confront trauma. But a lot of that's happening according to the body's wisdom, right. That light bulb will go off once the system has organized enough capacity to make sense of it in a new meaningful way.

Katie Wrigley  33:47  

That was such a beautiful analogy, I think you just gave my favorite analogy I've ever heard of looking at the whole system. So what I think I heard you say there is like if the trauma is one piece of the orchestra, let's say it's the flute, I don't know why the flute came to mind. I'm not picking on flutes at all, I think it's a beautiful instrument. But let's say you know, the flute is representative of the trauma, you have the ability to tune in to “Oh, I hear the flute, I hear the flute” and you can really focus on the flute, or you can back up look at the whole person and focus on this beautiful symphony of the orchestra as a whole of the whole being the whole body versus just the flute.

Greg Wieting  34:30  

And then those imprints of trauma can start to come into a harmonic resonance, and they don't have to be in this standalone dissonance. And that's a big piece of healing to you know, back to something we were talking about earlier with the pain you know, not fighting against the pain, right. To the point where my pain was so great that, I mean the sounds like an exaggeration or dramatic but the pain of that point was because I was solely focused on the pain but it felt like If there was a monster inside of me, I was fighting against that monster. The healing path helped me realize that, wow, that monster was just a wounded part of me that needed loving attention. Right, so that flute just needs loving attention. So it can re integrate into, you know, the full symphony orchestra. And it can start to realize that it doesn't have to just play, it can still play, its, you know, itself, but in relationship, right. Where trauma starts to fragment us into isolation and alienation. And so, so much repair happens through the relational field where we realize, oh, it's actually safe to play with others. Because that has often been, you know, that safety has often been betrayed or distorted. So, you know, and that happens, like the healing, you know, a healing container, whether it's with a healer, a therapist, or community is kind of the Laboratory for us to start to get a taste of that repair, that it's actually safe to be myself in relationship to others. And then that starts to be the model or the template for us to find that in other relationships.

Katie Wrigley  36:10  

That makes a lot of sense. Again, I know I'm saying that a lot. But I really love the way that you're breaking things down and explaining things. And when you refer to the height of your pain, it felt like a monster. I actually don't think that's dramatic at all, from the descriptions, I felt from those that I've seen from other people who are still suffering in pain and working their way out of it. It does often feel like a monster or a form of prison in some ways, because the one person you can't get away from is yourself. And so if you're suffering with any part of you, you are essentially imprisoning yourself with whatever limiting thoughts or beliefs are holding you in that and not allowing you to look at the greater world as a whole. And I really love the wisdom of your focus of like, “Well I don't focus on trauma, I actually focus on the innate wisdom”. And I'm having like an aha moment, like, of course, why wouldn't more people focus there? Why am I not focusing there more, it's the same thing. Like when I look at our healthcare system as a whole, we aren't wellness focused, we're sickness focused, that's what we keep finding. And so when you're looking at innate wisdom, that's what you're gonna keep finding is more and more of this wisdom in your body, that your body already knows how to do, to heal the paper cut, to heal the broken bone. Tying into that more and more, you're going to find more and more power within that, because that's where you're focused. That is just absolutely brilliant.

Greg Wieting  37:54  

You know, there's over 200,000 cases of spontaneous remission from cancer, you know, no research dollars go into that. Right. Sure. And, you know, what if we really explored the healing mechanism that, you know, creates the climate for spontaneous remission in cancer patients to occur. Right. And again, and I'm not suggesting that, you know, I'm all for an integrative approach, right? So I'm not suggesting to stop your cancer treatments and your protocols. But can we also start to build an awareness of how to restore our relationship with our innate wisdom, that's going to help us actually respond better to whatever treatments we are on. And that overall state of wellness, that mindset piece, right, that's helping us live in more of a generative, life affirming consciousness or vibration, which has ripple effects on ourselves and our tissues and all of our systems.

Katie Wrigley  39:05  

I've heard of a couple of those those cases, actually, there was someone I heard of, through the cognomovement community that they were talking about someone that went into the doctor, a doctor said, “You have breast cancer” and with every part of her being, she stood up, she says “No I don't”, walked out. She didn't have breast cancer. I'm sure that the doctor was not giving erroneous findings, but every part of her rejected that to a level that she did spontaneously, it was just gone like that. And there's someone else that I know that's in remission from pancreatic cancer and remission from pancreatic cancer isn't a sentence that I've heard that much alone. But the leaps and bounds that she's making, focusing on her mindset, being able to focus on her innate wisdom, being able to tap into that power. She's really getting back a higher quality of life. And I think she's been in remission for almost a year already. And it's beautiful to watch her recovery as she's doing this. It's just, it's amazing what happens. And you're right, there isn't any science or a lot of research that goes into the spontaneous healing, or what did those people have about them that they were able to completely cure themselves of cancer. And how can the rest of us tap into that innate wisdom?

Greg Wieting  40:35  

Yeah, the innate wisdom helps us tap into a field of possibility. And that is a vibrational intelligence that returns us to wholeness, which returns us to this syncopated state where heart and mind and body and spirit are in this state of coherence, right. And that's when we get to express the most optimal outcomes. And, you know, life throws us curveballs. I don't think we're in control. You know, I think life deals us, you know, the hand, but we do have a lot of choice in how we play that hand. Right. And that choice, and that agency is also something trauma can rob from us. And so but it's something that we can then reclaim. And actually I find in reclaiming something that's been robbed from us, really helps us kind of stake claim to it at an even deeper place, there's just so much power that comes from that.

Katie Wrigley  41:34  

Absolutely. And one of my favorite sayings is, you may not have chosen your pain, you may not have chosen what happened to you, you get to choose what you do with it. That's completely up to you. And that's, that's a very liberating thought that someone had introduced to me earlier. Like, “Look you can't change your past. But what do you want to do with it”? Like, well, turnout is going to launch a whole new career from it. But I, at the time, I didn't know but it was, you know, it's evolved into this beautiful thing where I get to meet amazing healers, such as yourself, and I learn every time I get on a podcast episode to record it, I walk away with so many goodies. So where can people find you, Greg? And can you work virtually? Or do they need to be local to you?

Greg Wieting  42:27  

Yeah, all my work is online. And so I have limited space to work with clients, one on one. And  that's for folks that really want to take a deep dive. I do nine to 12 months, where I'm working with clients, or if folks want to join the online community and learn Prisma to heal. Yeah, that's Gregwieting.com. There's also a free guide that people can download. And that's the seven Prisma pillars, it's talking about, we've got to heal the past to lead the future. And, you know, a lot of my students and clients aren't leaders or entrepreneurs, it's just anyone that you know, wants to heal. But I look at to be on a path of healing, where we're developing the capacity to live as a leader, you know, in our own lives. And so to really step into the driver's seat. I don't like the idea of taking charge or taking control, but just having that commitment to our agency that commitment to, you know, our highest good.

Katie Wrigley  43:35  

Yeah, and I love that that's, that's what I like to refer to, as you're stepping into your own power have you to choose, like you said, the agency to choose. And is there a call to action that you want to invite the listeners to take today before we wrap up?

Greg Wieting  43:53  

I'd say just download the free guide, and the southern Prisma pillars that'll just kind of give you a taste of the methodology that I guide my students through and there's just a lot of value in that guide. So whether folks choose to work with me or not, just kind of get your bearings straight on kind of the seven steps to healing.

Katie Wrigley  44:11  

Awesome, and I did download that guide when I was doing research before the show. I love your website, it's very easy to follow. It's very easy to find things. That guide is very straightforward. I highly recommend it, we'll make sure that all of the links are in the show notes including how to spell your name so that people are able to find you out there and reach out to you if they want to learn more. And thank you so much for joining me today. Greg, is there any last message you want to leave the audience with?

Greg Wieting  44:41  

You know, the body is designed to heal. We just need to give it the right support. You know, and a lot of my clients and students find me when they are at the end of their rope, right? Example a client who was in bed for two years, $100,000 in medical debt. 200 Doctors, nobody can help them. They found health, right, I'm working in a way that's helping their system, resolve and heal while all these top down approaches to treatments just weren't able to touch. So don't give up.  We need, we need to be our own best advocate, you know, when it comes to healing. And so if you've tried everything under the sun and nothing has worked, keep trying. There's other things under the sun. And, you know, if it's not the right practitioner, or the right modality, keep trying. But so much of healing is beyond the modality or the treatment. It's actually the therapeutic relationship. So it's really finding the right fit, and you know, who you want to dive into this work with? You know, it's really a sacred journey. And so an arc of transformation. So, dive in.

Katie Wrigley  45:53  

Absolutely. That is a wonderful sentiment to wrap the show. Thank you so much for joining me today, Greg, and thank you for the work that you're doing in the world to help people tap into their innate wisdom and heal from anything that's been making their body suffer. Thank you so much for the work that you're doing out there.

Greg Wieting 46:20

Thanks Katie!

Katie Wrigley  46:21

And thank you as always my cherished listener for joining me today. I invite you to join me again next week when we are going to take a deep dive into hypnosis and the subconscious mind with Hugh Sadlier. I've worked with Hugh myself in a professional realm and he is nothing short of amazing. I hope you'll return next week and join us for that conversation.